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Topic : How to draw up a list of works? People now in the process of finding artists for the repair of her apartment. After a pair of failed "interviews" with prorabami concluded that simply say "I need to renovate the studio flat - wrongly, because the prices immediately zalamyvayutsya such that there is a desire to close those repairs forever. So, I concluded that the need to create at least an indicative list of activities. Fix a notebook, pen, and again deadlock ... It is written there for example : Room (14.3 ha) : 1. Paul - parquet 2. Wall - wallpaper 3. The ceiling-painting. But they probably one-tenth of that, in fact, there will have to do. I have some vague ideas about what needs to be straighter walls and floors have warheads of manipulation to be done before parquet place, etc. This issue is not brought to such things to create such a list?
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? depends on the type of apartment now, such as the newly constructed, vtorichka, the fire or the Gulf. without inspection is difficult to say. especially because if you have a normal parquet on the floor, it may be worth it to absorb a layer of polish and varnish will look just like new. even if the walls and wallpaper are well kept, the new wallpaper can pokleit them directly. If ceilings are flat, it is their only ink / pobelit. :) sequence of Sex : 1) Removal a) finishing finishing (parquet, linoleum, tile) b) if a rough finish in poor condition (plate) c) Removal / garbage collection Room : 2) plate on lighthouses 3) plywood flooring adhesive dowels (polishing plywood) 4) laying parquet (polishing, coating varnish parquet) kitchen, a corridor : 5) plate on lighthouses 6) Tiles toilets : 7) Waterproofing 8) plate on lighthouses 9) Tiles 10) install floor tiles Wall : 1) Removal a) finishing finishing (wallpaper, tiles) b) if a rough finish in poor condition (plaster) c) Removal / garbage collection Room : 2) cleaning 3) display of lights on a plumb-line (strictly perpendicular to the ground) 4) J 5) plaster with grid 6) coating with grid 7) polishing 8) finishing coating 9) polishing 10) J 11) pokleyka wallpaper kitchen : 12) trimming 13) display of lights on a plumb-line + all angles 90 degrees 14) J 15) plaster with grid 16) coating with grid 17) polishing 18) finishing coating 19) polishing 20) J 21) sticker wallpaper 22) sticker tiles between the lower and upper boxes built kitchen toilets : 23) trimming 24) laying tile on the plumb-line + 90 degree angles 25) clean pipes / heat 26) painting pipes / heat ceiling : 1) Removal a) finishing finishing (wallpaper, plasterboard) b) if a rough finish in poor condition (plaster) c) Removal / garbage collection 2) cleaning room, a kitchen, a corridor : 3) J 4) display of lights on the level 5) plaster with grid 6) coating with grid 7) polishing 8) finishing coating 9) polishing 10) coating on sdir 11), two layers of paint toilets : 12) A suspended ceiling plastic 13) Installation of ceiling tiles plumbing : 1) removal / san.teh takeaways. equipment 2) Installation of bathtubs, sinks, toilets Window : 1) clean the slopes 2) painting slopes 3) cleaning windows 4) painting window frames -------------- Perhaps all. :) Each item costs money if you want cheaper price can be derived from a list of 90%. if desired, you can add more expensive items such as electrical, plumbing, swimming pools, mosaics, gypsum stacked ceilings, stucco, marble and granite finish. :) explain that you schas is flat and that you go to see, then it can be said that Jesus is and what to leave.
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? equalize everything visually or perfect? The fact is that in an ideal alignment of materials are much bOlshie money than visual. Yes, and work is on the way higher. just spoken with the builders for $ 2,000 for all the work you are looking for a team of one or two people without foreman (foreman at the top with 30% costly) + take delivery costs. the quality is not particularly enjoy popridiratsya. with a perfect alignment of all, quality floor, ceiling and tile laying my construction foreman asked to be $ 5-7 thousand for the work. If there is a will, I can drop your phone for communications in email zemly # inbox.ru instead put # @ I will convey its builders, and if any of their friends will set builders, the call. :)
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? Phone, I sent you e-mail. Only we have gone from the list of works, so I wanted to get a :)
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? if you are perfect as wrote in the letter, a list of works, see my first message from the top. can print it and show that workers will agree. :) it does not include minor, such as sample chandeliers, mirrors, paintings, Poloczek, cornices for curtains. for the money that you have, such as the work done malorealno. Only one pair under the floorboards of $ 400. I think reasonably reduce appetite and such on the floor of laminate directly on the linoleum - this gives you savings on dismantling + laying laminate 3-4 times cheaper than laying parquet. well, and so on all counts, and then charge the list of builders in the forehead, they lose the gift of speech. :) on soap send you its technical mission to repair apartments and estimates can be like, print and give builders.
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? Vadig, good morning! I have seen a similar challenge, could you drop me a list of works and estimates : avi # mosk.ru. We are grateful.
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? lasted, read the estimated what you need and divides by 2 Figures obtained cheaper to renovate unrealistic, if not certainly leaving builders. :)
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? Thank received. ! ! Oh, and why do 2?
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? what I sent you, the average price for Moscow and the region. for the money 90% of builders will set to work. You can understate the price, but less than 2 times the cost of the construction-will be hard to find. should definitely be considered in the calculations, which divides in two, and if you see that your money is not enough to cover the work, the builders have to look ranovato or reduce appetite on volume of work. :)
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? Vadig, could you send me a list of prices. We plan to make repairs while not know where to start. kapol71@mail.ru
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? Vadig! And please send me justoleg@yandex.ru
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? All the New Year! For those who want to repair apartments give invaluable free information on how, what and where ... Immediately say that each apartment individually and with a good approach to potential builders to require a detailed report. Failure to provide estimates have said a lot. After receiving the estimates are very carefully at it. There is one way to 1000 and as nakrutit estimates or "bury" your money that they had not seen the customer. The estimates have done and am doing, so I know as saying. And there are options when faced with one of two estimates and valid rates, the amount of work, and the total amount is completely different, and eliminated math errors. The question is - what technology works and describes its consistency. About what to do and whether, can be judged only after a detailed survey of the premises. It could not immediately work with the contractor, who immediately said the cost of repairs. In this case (of course with quality repairs), the price will be significantly overstated. In order to evaluate the cost of repairs need to be first and foremost designer, or even a semblance of it. This is a key element in any normal renovation of the building. It's worth it. Too many wrong that the designer is costly and not justified. If a designer really specialist, and not just people calling them, it can fit in your proposed budget, using justified in a particular case as surges finishing, and produce materials allocated knowingly winning solutions, both financially and aesthetically. Will exercise control over the building (clearly always necessary, even "their" all too often allow marriag 98ef e). It is important to accurately conclude repair apartments to annex estimates, the timing and phasing of the work, payment terms, a list of materials. The vast majority of contracts not focus on the quality of finishing. That is understandable. Construction on the modest ignored or, at best, write "euro" or "under the euro. And this is nothing. As the "euro" you floors and wall or not. There is no need to reinvent the wheel is no SNiP-there are written. For example there is a simple, improved quality and plaster mixed with their quality. In general all very much. Main objective and not have to commit reckless acts. If you are interested I would be glad to help. Think about it. Good luck and success in this difficult task. Warranty successful repair-competent, professional approach.
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? "When a designer really specialist, and not just people calling them, it can fit in your proposed budget, using justified in a particular case as surges finishing, and produce materials allocated knowingly winning solutions are materially and aesthetically. Will exercise control over the building (clearly always necessary, even "their" all too often allow marriage). " Sorry, but you are not confused with designer прорабом,сметчиком,архитектором, engineer and builder? Or all in one bottle? And chto-zhe, excuse me, the designer will teach, say, painting / plasterers he straightening ceiling? Or pack the correct plate? A parketchika teach lay parquet? Perfect is the enemy of the good. Sincerely, zvezdopad. Perfect is the enemy of the good. Sincerely, zvezdopad.
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? in Moscow or surroundings quality repairs without marriage will be very expensive (> $ 200 / m2 for work) or money spent nerves. I went through a lot of apartments in different price ranges and everywhere was a marriage, somewhere less somewhere more. that the marriage was less need "a" responsible foreman, who will look unfamiliar to him from the team and he will be directly involved in the repair (pulling bags hinder solution was poured plate, wall plaster, etc.), so a marriage can prisekat at the start, not at the stage of testing and crew will not change after the damaged material, and even in the preparatory work. supervise any type of construction counsel "lead to a high turnover of teams have spent lots of money and nerves. a gain but at what cost! ps. all who have requested estimates -> check emayly. :)
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? (Sorry, but you are not confused with designer прорабом,сметчиком,архитектором, engineer and builder? Or all in one bottle?) No, not confusing. Interior designer must have the concept of all of its work. If it certainly calls itself a professional rather than amateur. A narrow issue in the plan - what color to paint the walls, which hang curtains and furniture to a work of pure decoration. Just to recommend a light, breaking it down into a zone team in your logic must be BBC, and not lighting designer, then the employer must invite all listed professionals fan say states and arranged at his apartment "construction century." That is why we have DIZAYNER, which owes itself to delve into all these subtleties. Of course it is a small objects in the levels of competence and designer. Of course, if the design of shopping centre, it does neoboyti without additional staff, even if the designer himself in a position to solve all incidence. One case solved, but another thing to make the project a license to do some work and agree on, and then pass all of this in operation. And chto-zhe, excuse me, the designer will teach, say, painting / plasterers he straightening ceiling? Or pack the correct plate? A parketchika teach lay parquet? No job is not to teach, it will not be (there is a construction supervisor), but knowing the technology works, the appointment of a used building materials, quality finishing required. As a sign of the image and professionalism. (This is a designer clothing does not know how behaves different tissue in different operating conditions. A hit by rain can not wait for that.) If the customer then asked him who made such an apartment, in response, it will hear the designer Pupkin. If all is well, then the honour and praise it, and poorly :-(((. And no one will ask, but as a foreman named or engineer who was an estimate, etc. Designer at the site - a trusted customer, which is the guardian of its core requirements and, in particular, for the correct implementation of the project ideas. Unfortunately too many and now have become designer. A hairdresser, a tired-looking, fashionable and cool. Thus, Many customers after communicating with the impression designers at all. Very sorry. Just nepovezlo them. The executive summary should strive to be a professional in any case, if you zanimaeshsya them with the aim of making a living. Only then will you be away from competition and will look for you, not you work. All participants of the forum to congratulate purely Soviet holiday-Old New Year. Good luck and good health.
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? Send me please estimates for Osushko@mail.ru
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? As a person who received a diploma in civil engineering at the time, Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev knew how to correctly pronounce the word "socialist", I can subscribe to every word in Eugene. I would add only that the observation of the day, customers who defy the design, production estimates typically spend one and a half times more and more so in the worst ratio quality / cost. The recent case even me aback. Besides, who is going to take the contractor, and invited me then, as an expert, overpaid for the renovation of two blocks of flats dvukomnatnyh almost fourfold. And now all peredelyvaet.Chto same airtime, dizaynera-professionala, who reportedly could not know or materials or technology, it is not serious. If you started and not know anything, consult with a specialist himself, or just take it as a subcontractor. No one can know it all and be able to. We just know where and who to ask. unless, of course, ready to share. A general-pound always pays twice and is doing is bad.
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? Please please, and I estimate at tayuta@yandex.ru
Subject : Re : How to draw up a list of works? tronk to : Is that all idealiziruete. repair mind, designers, planners, engineers, etc. 99% of people say there is no money, so how better to buy a jacuzzi or plasma Telecom for $ 10 thousand than not transferred for that, and the work of these professionals is in full repair pobolee this money. :) I think that is an indication of prices for individual work, to learn the technology and the ability to process check-time work to get a high-quality repairs and not transferred any extra couple of tens of thousand. $ it need look no further than Internet always at hand. :) ps. report sent to the Sudan, check boxes. :)
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