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Subject : Re : Steel doors I honestly still paranoik Mr. Goncharenko or not, the level of expertise and professionalism, as well as the level of professionalism of Mr. Levakova also carried out door tests were unquestionable unlike any level polukriminalnyh door bidders, k-rye thrown open marriage and cheat customers. There are two test results. If the company STAL did not agree with them, it has long been able to challenge them in court, but BECAME so far has not done so. What leads to the conclusion that either the test results were encouraging, or indifferent STAL that its products and the company will think customers - trade doors and is going well : (
Subject : Re : Steel doors I have the same door-locking only dvuhsistemnaya CHIZA door handle and very expensive, took 26,000, is a long time without complaints, IMHO, "Door prestige" in the best Peter on price / performance ratio. Before the doors "Stal" I deeply parallel, but Goncharenko as often caught in the lies and falsification ... half of its tests on the lock-opening 100% false, and he "became" osoblivo enemy when they proved that the test pictures from the autopsy "Mottury - adulteration .... before his best friend was Wagner with the doors" Bastion "as soon as Wagner confirmed that attended the opening Kerberossa its doors were poor and DPZ-good ..... For me, as if AG fanaticism door Stal "is to have a good door ...
Subject : Re : Steel doors Very interesting picture produced ... what the site neck -vezde discuss "STAL"! ? ! This leads to the conclusion that STALA most important piece of "cake" in the market for steel doors in Moscow and tolko.Otsyuda not yet concluded, and nedobrozhilateley respectively. The beam of light in the dark kingdom.
Subject : Re : Steel doors Where proved? ? Language in the forum? ? How about tests conducted by Mr. Levakovym-tampering too? ? ? ? ? If so, it could have long zasudit and Mr. Goncharenko, and Strong says, but more than that they had obozvat article is a custom For the first time I heard that Alexei Wagner was a friend of Mr. Goncharenko. Off I was surprised when I learn that Mr. Goncharenko his grubiyanskim nature can be friends : (But I do not know that Mr. Goncharenko claimed that he could not reveal Kerberos. On the contrary, he always said that nevskryvaemyh locks, but one thing when Castle opened quietly for 2 minutes, and the other for 10 minutes with the noise - is a fundamental difference
Subject : Re : Steel doors In fact, the most important cake from the budget noname or door type ZIL, ZVM, etc. I need to go into the entrance to his friends in the vicinity and immediately clear who holds most of the market. A consumer from k-go more money, but not enough to "Superlyuks or DPZ K9 - those bought on the door advertising and STAL Legion, and such a lot : (For a discussion STAL doors, doors, etc. Legion, as well as Italian and other baraholnyh noname locks, k-rymi strewn all construction markets, they are discussed as they are laid over the same door Bastion or stable nut, but claims they are discussing why :) This STAL-to ray of light? !
Subject : Re : Steel doors I like Bastion doors, but they have such high prices, simply horrifying. They justify their individual approach, and some of elitism. Maybe it happens .... difficult to judge objectively. Has Bars in, and they have liked the doors, but the conversation they had raised so that if less than 40,000 rubles, it is not zamorachivatsya. The requested DPZ-like conditions, attitude and prices. The other firms did not like anything.
Subject : Re : Steel doors Hi colleagues (profession) And how to prove? FAQ Stal questions were answered, these responses by the way, at least in the forum began, no one has refuted. Incidentally there were shows distortion of the so-called test Goncharenko only shouts that the best locks and opened not long ago said that in the next 100 years the best locks nobody pridumaet :)) At mastercity search this passage About test began. Let's say AG and testing at its site got. But it is another five-times under different sauces repeated material at DPZ (big dorozhelateli for Stal), posted in a number of resources in the guise of popular types of tests and then a few more times ssylalalsya to those articles. The question arises - if such hrenovye door you need to be so totally UGOVARIVAT public that they are bad? It has well explained. Something is Magnin not find? I would say that this is a mixture of personal accounts with the desire to ingratiate himself partneru-DPZ
Subject : Re : Steel doors Reading forums manufacturers of doors, it seems that this is a kindergarten. Haggling in the Sandbox Better would have been removed from their site forums, solid impressive.
Subject : Re : Steel doors Hi :) Responses born in the head, and sometimes may have nothing to do with reality. If the tests Mr. Goncharenko or Mr. Levakova-fiction, it must prove <b> </ b>, that is to remove a board from their halturnyh doors and an independent examiner. Then what is relevant to the distortion of the fact that the door STAL-60 is cardboard, it opened primitive tools, etc.? ? If redefining and so, I personally do not interesting as rudeness Mr. Goncharenko to zamochno-dvernyh bidders, other professionals or curious consumers like me. I read test results door and there is only the <b> device characteristics and doors </ b>, and not about companies STAL that Mr. Goncharenko they think. But agree that think and respond well to companies doing k-raya halturnye door and cheat customers, it would : ( I read and read all nine branches and never heard from Mr. Goncharenko that Kerberos should not be revealed. Please reference where he claims that. As for the next 100 years, the past 15 years of suvaldnyh lock in Russia resistant to the opening of a master key and forcibly suppressed, as well as better than Kerberos with the kind of protection is not yet invented. Given that suvaldny castle is not electronics, and there can hardly come up with anything radically new, it is possible. The question is whether any used mechanical locks after 50 years, that is it is likely that most of the doors will open in any electromagnetic lock with smart cards - they are already set in Russia I do not remember what Mr. Goncharenko somewhere Kuroyedov. Are test results door STAL and myself as the consumer is still driving them there, because of the stigma attached to STAL, because of the desire to ingratiate himself with a partner. Personally, I again as a potential buyer of the benefit received as to why the door STAL, Legion and others should not be taken :)
Subject : Re : Steel doors Antiugovorami other than to call it a nelyaz - raskruchivaemaya scalable company is not just an outrage if. A lot of whether we understand you to try that really Goncharenko says that if that is a good thing that bad? Cardboard? About it was said on his body. Imagine that you write a universal software for different servers and a competitor starts shouting at all forums that you display frustration because it is slow. Spec understand why using ADO, and easy to explain this teapot? With so components direct access porezvee ... but will be under each branch write software will be more expensive to 30-40% of the reason for the less flexible and perepisyvaemym? Here is the same object-AG said seam s ugly. Yes on X .. I beautiful seam inside the door? There, that the door to something that was not the promised? Yes like anything on the site began in my view clearly answered why, and that as done. With Kerberos best of anyone you know? That really think of anyone? From the very AG? On sponsored by "independent" types? Mr. Levakov distinguished person he is clearly a function of DPZ, but how DPZ now helps terrorists AG Stal in my view adds weight of the arguments. On the matter of AG and that it did not break the lock-perechtite or let us closer to the hardest-find lazily look just Now I am not a fan, I want real information and then run smells, and durnopahnuschim ...
Subject : Re : Steel doors I say that the campaign or war door companies me personally passionate. I am interested in the results of the test door, as it will be good not "Strong says" STAL and other competitors, and I as a potential buyer door :) Nothing he has not responded. This is what he said. Earlier also responded responded in a similar vein : Discussions unrelated to the tests are, and here is : Off the usual demagogy, but it is understandable, because they have nothing more to say and excogitation "smart" and "these customers", ignoring the "black PR" from the same opera. : (Carton instead claimed mineral wool is a) the worst heat and soundproof harakteristki characteristics, b) fuel which burns evolving smoke in) cheating buyer, and <span style="color:red"> so to understand this is not necessary, "in order to understand and be a specialist in door-sufficient knowledge of physics to graduate from high school and to know that the board is off, and no mincotton
Subject : Re : Steel doors I prokomentirovat fitting doors Door Prestige. Apparently everything went well from a technical standpoint. The form, I do not as a specialist, significant defective design and installation not provided. One just too much napryaglo-ochen worldwide uncle at the plant. Aside from the fact that he initially wanted to "heat" is on the rise, calling the wrong amount, as I said in the office. Only when I phoned the company manager, the deputy has cooled. Somehow strange way, he allowed himself to rashazhivat kvratire and go to the balcony of my temporary absence Fifteen minutes, NSI open window ... shorter service on the brink. Frankly, claim the next day, it was difficult to formulate, "It's not obmateril same finally, but still, my personal opinion is that backstage to be on galantnee. My complaint with the company manager, I posochustvoval and promised to correct their employees .... I would like to believe in it. The main thing is that the door remained still, and the rest is not important! Tania
Subject : Re : Steel doors Tatyana Alexandrovna! I think that even if you are lucky .... I found the door .... and then it turned out that the cross ring longer than the thickness of "stacks" or of her ... (which includes cross )!!!!!!!! All they offered was drilled !!!!!!!!!!!! and they brought the door at 2 later than promised. Unfortunately houses were only parents ... and paid ... that do not know so that even if you VERY lucky!
Subject : Re : Steel doors On selecting the door (Moscow). GARDIAN, ZIL, Strong says, Union, Esta and other things. Now in full nesoznanke. Do not know that place. Zamerschiki already call. Maybe someone knows the site, which says about all the doors, or have personal knowledge. What put locks? Urgent advise. And on New Year's nose and builders rushed.
Subject : Re : Steel doors Look at the door "became" : despite the fact that they have been told this is a very good doors, no worse of you, but otherwise, and much more! At the site there is a place where you give advice on locks. They now and discounts are very good.
Subject : Re : Steel doors Locks best CISA Italian, KALE, but really in any company you would judicious advice. I had a 2-down CISA (4 door, 4 turnover), without a top tsilindrika (CISA with tsilindrikom more expensive), and the top has a simpler KALE : it can be the key to builders, and from CISy will not give anyone. Good luck to you, Tania
Subject : Re : Steel doors Husband reading feedback on the door at the Forum, now wants no Stal nor Strong nut. Ahead of the weekend, will go to the ZIL. But they did not like me, seem yesterday afternoon, which is not modern, and the choice of colours is not. And anyone heard of the company TOREKS door? They Ryazanke somewhere to sit. However, they do not work on weekends and on weekdays until 19.00. And we can only at weekends. And they do not need the money?
Subject : Re : Steel doors major (pen), all that advice producer doors, and an additional desirable domestic Kerberos, 111.21.308, and when you leave the house, do not forget to lock the door to the additional lock. if persuaded by Chizu, only in the overlay code (some top tsilindrikom ") and bronenakladkoy but it is twice the price just chizy.
Subject : Re : Steel doors do not do it. The study forums door sad : 1. door cheaper half kilobaksov put meaningless. expensive, too, not all, only applications or bastion. 2. All locks - slang, but "there are good options for the many thousands." The value of 'normal' doors forever. Yahoo, not to know the truth, Gerd be bought, or pan-pan Kninski, and lived a quiet.
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